Agreeing Loudly Podcast: Why The Democrats Are Losing

274c7de9d9dcb54d3e2737f0c559aa10Pat, Troy and Carson take a deep dive into why democrats are losing elections and provide their insights into how and when the party of Roosevelt and Kennedy will start winning again. Troy talks about the cynical aspects of identity politics, Pat does his best Nate Silver and looks into the state legislative losses over the last 7 years and Carson takes on the bipartisan neoliberal to neoconservative policy consensus of tax cuts and who they really benefit.

With some shameless pleas for Thomas Frank and Rick Perlstein to pay attention to Agreeing Loudly and a handful of greatly needed plugs for Matt Taibbi and Matthew Yglesias, the end result…a fantastic weekend podcast to listen to.

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Show Notes and Articles:

Froma Harrop: Let’s break from identity politics, together

The Democrats’ Identity Politics Problem

Have Democrats lost 900 seats in state legislatures since Obama has been president?

The Obama Legacy: Over 1,000 Democratic Seats Lost to Republicans

Why So Many Democrats Rejected Obama’s Lobbying on the Trans-Pacific Trade Deal

Republican and Democratic Presidents Have Switched Economic Policies


My Endorsement in the Often Overlooked Cat Primary

by Troy M. Olson

Harrison J. Potter (S-NY), in his Manhattan office.

While Americans from coast to coast are distracted by the Presidential primaries, an often overlooked cat primary is happening.

I’d like to use this space to show my support for Harrison J. Potter, of the SophistiCat Party, for the office of Emperor of the World.

Harrison has overcame great difficulties in his life to get where he is today, and if you hear it directly from him, the stories are legendary.

His Mother abandoned him in a rainstorm in rural Minnesota, he convinced his adoptive Mother to take him in as a mentor to her kittens. He used his natural size advantages to grow even stronger, and used his charm to convince the humans to bring him into the house. This is the kind of charm a cat will need to lead the cat revolution.

Potter, 7, originally of Minnesota, often draws strength from his hero, Alexander Hamilton. Harrison considers himself an adherent to a Strong Central Food Source, internal furnishings for a variety nap choices, and is adamantly opposed to his unsophisticated feral opponent.

“Harry” as he is often affectionally called by the people, is strong willed, a self-starter, vocal, very vocal, and knows exactly when to turn on the charm. He will negotiate much better trade deals with Siamese Cats, and will use his impressively sharp teeth to ward off clumsy humans who might be stepping on your tail.

This November, I strongly urge you to vote Potter!

This message has been paid for by Harry for Cat Emperor.

Game of Thrones as U.S. Politics


A few days ago, former Politico CEO and co-founder Jim VandeHei, in response to what he saw as a two-party system in American politics that predominately caters to economically comfortable buffoons, proposed that we create a third party. The problem with radical centrist VandeHei’s proposal, is that his third party ideas, in addition to promoting unpopular policies bordering on insanity, would basically create a third major American political party that predominately caters to economically comfortable buffoons.

Despite VandeHei’s insane call for a third party that is very similar to the two we already have, and despite basically calling for an age of an actual American empire, as opposed to a half-hearted attempt at one, the idea of multiple official and unofficial factions and alliances often seen in European parliamentary democracies is appealing and far more interesting to anyone who has studied political science. In honor of “Game of Thrones” sixth season premiere, Carson Starkey and I waxed philosophic on what multiple factions, personalities, and regions would look like if we were comparing American politics to the Kingdoms of Westeros and beyond. Enjoy!

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Episode 30: SPOILER ALERT!

57339841On this week’s episode of Agreeing Loudly Coast to Coast, Pat makes his triumphant return to share his distaste with the movie preferences of the Millennial generation before injecting a healthy dose of sports news back into the podcast. Also, Jered tries to introduce an Avatar-inspired segment before succumbing to the Game of Thrones. And it wouldn’t be Agreeing Loudly, without another long-winded political discussion featuring Donald Trump, the insanity of the far-right, and other overexposed topics.
Will Pat’s return lead to a new Golden Age for the podcast? Is Jered voting for the Democratic nominee for President? Can Bill handle more bad news for Donald Trump? Spoiler Alert: Tune in now to find out! 

Agreeing Loudly Does Music


Stop watching “Game of Thrones” for an hour tonight and have a listen to our top ten essential albums list, released in concert with 89.3 – The Current, a local Minnesota favorite station. It is perhaps fitting that we finally do an all-music podcast the week that a Minnesota music legend, Prince, was taken from the world all-too-soon at the age of 57. Feel free to listen in any of the following formats below…

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….and also enjoy this video of Bruce opening his concert in Brooklyn recently with “Purple Rain”, the song, album, and film that took Prince from stardom to super-stardom music God-type status. Enjoy! And to the city of Minneapolis, the state of Minnesota, and the planet of Earth – stay purple.

Peace from Pat, Troy, and Carson.


Conversations with the Ghost of America’s Future Past

by Carson Starkey and Troy M. Olson

America's Future Past

On a quiet park bench on Central Park West, merely hours after a 2018 GOP strategy conference on how to win back the White House got over, which Carson Starkey and Troy Olson, had just got done attending under the guise of being correspondents. The mood is somber. Not unlike this scene:


That was profoundly awkward, watching the Republican Party elites trying to win back white working class conservative and populist voters, after thoroughly sabotaging and trashing them during the 2016 “respectable conservative” plot to cheat.


We really missed the boat when we failed to cash-in on that verbiage via a book deal. “Exposed! The Respectable Conservative Plot to Cheat” by Carson Starkey, J.D.


Senate Majority Leader Tom Cotton (Gin) is going to relish his future role as Vice Presidential candidate. Julian Castro and Cory Booker are going to have tough sells on the Atlantic coast. Virginia and North Carolina might not remember that they voted for an unlikely candidate only a decade ago. Different times…


You speak of course of the upcoming ’24 and ’28 elections, they will not be pretty. It’s of course a foregone conclusion that 2020 will be both a blood path that was avoidable and a missed opportunity during a redistricting election. As the person who penned the “Case for Losing” back in early 2016, to the incredible enragement of many on the left, I take no pleasure in having been right. This was avoidable. It always has been. Nice things could be possible and would create nicer people.


I’ll be sad to see Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, SNPA, and the EPA disappear. But such are the misfortunate that follow a $12 trillion tax cut. Sure, the Iran War will be awful, but privatizing the VA will only add insults to actual injuries. I hope that Treasury Secretary Willard Romney has a plan to deal with the resulting 15 percent unemployment. The human misery will be severe.


Right. This would all be easier to swallow on our end if so-called “enlightened establishment” did not consistently tell Millennials we are all still too young to be Congressional candidates.


Now, now…the leadership will pick the right people. They know how to build majorities that last two to four years. So we’ll just accomplish everything that we want during any window where we have the majority.


Then blame losses on the only relatively popular member of the party (former President Obama).


Because pragmatism…or something. I’m not really sure about the specific strategy, you’ll have to ask Chuck Schumer and Dick Durbin.


A strategy of protecting economic gains made fifty to sixty years ago is not exactly inspiring.


That’s just your unrealistic opinion in their eyes, they won’t return your phone calls because they’re fundraising with Jamie Dimon. So I suppose we can talk about what…. a minimum wage hike? Or is that already on the agenda? At the very least… let’s talk privatizing public schools. That has to be a popular idea with our voting base, at least that’s what they will presume.


This is too depressing. Let’s end by talking C-PAC and how profoundly awkward the atmosphere was in there. Did every working class Joe and Jane just conveniently forget about the fact that the GOP establishment called them a bunch of “slack jawed yokels” two years ago during the Trump fiasco?


Now to be fair… Jane and Joe have bigger problems than crushing poverty, stagnant wages, and drug (presumably meth) addiction. You’re not giving fair consideration to gay people getting married or the existence of the “hippity hop” music. Ask Ben Carson, he’ll tell you why both are causes for concern.


Sigh… By the way, we switched the metaphor to Joe because John died working the job because social security retirement is now 68 years old.


Well obviously. And thank God that his company replaced him with a teenager from Vietnam who’s working for 70 cents a day. The power of the free market.


But pay day loan company executives who enthusiastically supported Hillary in ’16 said people are living longer now… or something. Yeah, tell that to John’s kids.


At least you can get a slice of pizza for a dollar.

***Carson and Troy walk in to one of New York City’s fine pizza establishments***  


God bless New York City.



What you just read may scare you, I know it scares me.

However, there is still something we can collectively do about it.

We can change the future…. if we try.

The First Annual Agreeing Loudly MLB Predictions


The guys from the Agreeing Loudly Podcast put forth their annual baseball predictions last week and here they are in all their glory. The picks are almost certainly 100% accurate, nearly 50% of the time.


MVP (Either league – one guess): Kris Bryant CUBS

CY Young (Either league – one guess): Dallas Keuchel ASTROS

Best Record (All MLB): CUBS

World Series Teams: GIANTS v. TWINS

Twins Record: 88-74 WILD CARD


MVP (Either league – one guess): Miguel Sano TWINS

CY Young (Either league – one guess): David Price RED SOX

Best Record (All MLB): San Francisco Giants

World Series Teams: GIANTS vs. RED SOX

Twins Record: 87-75


MVP (Either league – one guess): Jose Bautista BLUE JAYS

CY Young (Either league – one guess): Sonny Grey ATHLETICS

Best Record (All MLB): TWINS

World Series Teams: TWINS vs. ROCKIES

Twins Record: 101-61

Episode 29: Star Wars and the Search for Pat

On this week’s episode of Agreeing Loudly Coast to Coast, Bill and Jered attempt to soldier forth without Pat, who has apparently been tasked with an important mission to steal top secret Death Star plans. In the meantime, friend of the show, Mitch steps up to give the midwestern perspective this week on exciting topics including Millennials favorite places to work, the Star Wars Rogue One Trailer, the Denver QB uncertainty, and more exciting discussion about the never-ending 2016 quest for the presidency.
Will Comcast stop being evil long enough for Jered to finish this episode? Has Pat been replaced by a negaversion of himself? Can Bill interpret Jered’s robot speak? Tune in now to find out!
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New Star Wars Trailer Causes Local Fan to Open a Direct Line to Disney’s Bank Vaults, $57,000 Transfer Imminent

by Troy M. Olson (“Agreeing Loudly” Bread and Circus Correspondent)


Brooklyn, New York —

A local professional Star Wars fan has recently opened up a direct line to Disney’s bank accounts after sitting down this morning and watching the trailer for the latest installment of Star Wars. “Rogue One”, which will serve as the first standalone and non-episodic film set in the galaxy far, far away, further expands the fictional space fantasy universe created in 1977 by George Lucas. The Star Wars universe has proven to be the most successful fictional universe created since L. Ron Hubbard created scientology back in the 1950’s. Except after seven feature films, two television shows, hundreds of books and comics, and millions of toys and other merchandise sold, the Star Wars universe has proven to have some utility to it. Bringing quantifiable joy and meaning into the lives of millions worldwide, but as seen in this case, considerably lighter pockets.

Paul Smith, a 43 year-old blogger whose sole income is running a Star Wars fan site, was excited, pumped up, and….

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The Social Disorder of the Republican Party

by Allan Branstiter

A Cruz supporter sounds the call. | Adam Lau/Knoxville News Sentinel, via Associated Press

Believe it or not, the #nevertrump movement is gaining momentum and part of this has to do with the National Review’s steady undermining of Trump’s mystique. Last week, the establishment Republican magazine ran an article by Michael Barone asserting that the primary division between Trump’s support and opposition within the GOP has more to do with “social connectedness” than region, religion, rural/suburban, or economics. According to Barone, Americans with weak family ties, few friends, few ties to churches, and unsteady levels of employment are more likely to reject traditional Republicanism in favor of Trumpism . While it is tempting to write off the phenomenon as a product of a few alienated and socially maladjusted MRAs and lone wolf bigots, I can’t help but feel that Barone’s observations are just as misguided as the rest of the magazine’s contemptible treatment of Trump voters and the white working class more generally.

Barone attempts to prove causation through overly simplistic geographic and ethnic stereotypes. He first points to the Dutch-Americans of Michigan and Iowa, who he characterizes as a community with “dense networks of churches and civic groups.” In past elections, counties with a large population of Dutch-Americans voted for Huckabee and Santorum. This year they voted heavily in favor of Ted Cruz, while Trump finished in third. On their face, these correlations seem to suggest that the “unusually high social connectedness” if Dutch-American communities shielded them from the shallow demagoguery of The Donald.

But Barone ignores the obvious fact that what makes Dutch-American communities in Michigan and Iowa unique isn’t simply a strong sense of community, but the cultural influence of reformed Dutch Calvinism in these regions. Voters in these towns didn’t support Cruz because their social ties protected them from ideological exploitation. They voted for Cruz, Santorum, and Huckabee because they’re very conservative evangelicals. Any sense of social connectedness is secondary to that fact.

Second, Barone points to the prevalence of disability in pro-Trump regions in Missouri. He argues that Trump prevailed in southeast Missouri, where high rates of disability insurance indicated “low workforce participation and low social connectedness”—a correlation built on a bias against modern welfare and a rosy view of how older forms of local and private social welfare offered plebeians with a more fulfilling social life. Injured on the job? Disability insurance isn’t the answer. Just join your boss’s church and they’ll find a way to feed you.

Barone also points out that Cruz one in the backyard of the Assemblies of God headquarters in southwestern Missouri. While it’s clear that he would like us to  believe that the Assemblies’ “dense networks of civically active churches”led these voters to reject Trump, it’s also clear that Cruz’s ability to exploit his affinity with very conservative  Christian voters was equally (if not more) significant.

Barone makes the same mistake in his conclusions about Trump’s loss in Oklahoma (he argues that high church attendance favored Cruz), as well as his victory in South Carolina (an traditionally evangelical state). All the while he ignores the fact that Oklahoma’s oil economy and fervent evangelicism favored Cruz the Texan, while overt race-baiting and anti-establishment rhetoric served Trump well in the Solid South.

And Utah. Somehow Barone forgot the fact that Trump questioned the sincerity of Mitt Romney’s faith and the fact that his personality and history flaunts almost every single cultural value that makes Mormon communities unique.

While Barone’s contention that social connectedness is “the most useful explanation [he’s] seen yet of the variation in Trump’s appeal” is tempting, it ignores a complex array of other factors. There is no way of knowing whether Trump’s supporters are anymore socially alienated than the average Cruz supporter without actually conducting a poll. Pointing to a few places where Trump lost to Cruz and identifying the strong social institutions that exist there—while ignoring race, economics, class, and religious politics—doesn’t prove that the former’s supporters are any less socially connected than the latter’s.

It does prove the fact that the National Review hates Donald Trump almost as much as it hates irreligious, disabled, and working-class Americans.